oh yeah, CoV came out. it's all right, but it's by no means great. i certainly enjoy playing as a mastermind. that's where your villain uses npc henchmen to do the dirty work. but there's really not much diversity in that game beyond killing thugs, just like in CoH. the supergroup base system isn't particularly accessible to the casual gamer unless they join a supergroup with at least a few hardcore players. also, it doesn't seem to make much sense that you can't collect as many items for base improvements unless you turn on supergroup mode. you should be able to collect crap constantly, and that way you can hold onto it until you find a decent supergroup and make a decent joining donation. at least the CoH/CoV subscription is combined at the same price as stand-alone.